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text | un: finch | subject: notes left by 'scylla'
I have collected all the notes left by the individual Scylla after Mission 012 that I could find available and uploaded them to the shared data repository.¹
According to Ms. Won in her post here, there are 10 in total, meaning that one note remains missing. If you are in possession of this note, please contribute it to the data repository. These notes are the biggest credible lead on getting to the truth of things that I've seen in my time here; I cannot emphasize enough how imperative it is that you share the missing document.
There are two sides to these pages, one side being narrative journal entries and the other complex higher-order math. I have been working with Accelerator (un: accelerator) on deciphering what we can of the mathematics, and we have drawn the following conclusion with reasonable certainty:² this is a mathematical representation of the inevitable decline and resulting destruction of the fabric of reality. In other words, it demonstrates proof of Echo's claim that worlds are falling apart from natural causes.
Based on my own knowledge of 20th century Earth scientific discoveries, this is plausible. The universe is infinitely expanding and at an accelerating rate, and though we have a poor understanding of the eventual consequences of that, that is a measurable fact.³ It appears whoever took these notes was working through the implications on their own with far more advanced instrumentation available than what is familiar to either Accelerator or myself.
Reviewing the text of the pages leads me to several further conclusions:
(1) These were most likely written by Echo themselves as they came to the mathematical conclusion I just described.
(2) The author demonstrates sincere remorse and went to incredible lengths to attempt to resolve this problem, but it was beyond their capabilities. If these are written by Echo, then they have become some kind of god-like being in their pursuit of saving worlds, but that still was not enough.
(3) Ultimately, they placed their hopes in the idea that if they could buy time, someone else could find a solution, whether it be a mysterious blacked-out name referenced in the entries or someone from a different world entirely.
(4) It is possible that our task to prove the 'worth' of our worlds is being measured on this scale, that of how likely our societies are to be able to address this problem, making it a pragmatic determination and not one based on any inherent qualities of 'worthiness' otherwise.
(5) The time scale on which this is all taking place is likely literally astronomical.
Furthermore, reports of conversations had with Scylla indicates it is highly likely that Scylla personally knows Echo. He stated in one conversation that the math was intended for our receipt and would have been provided by Aurora, but the journal entries were not, and he deliberately intercepted them and ensured their distribution throughout Etraya. Scylla intimated to Ms. Won that the pages reveal something about what he and Aurora are cursed not to speak of. What that might be, I'm unsure.
Most importantly, Scylla provided verbal confirmation to Ms. Won that he also believed the worlds are unraveling. All of these facts combined, I think we must take that as true going forward.
Please share in the comments any other inferences you feel could be reasonably drawn, and we may discuss further.
¹This was posted about recently, but if you haven't seen it, there is now a data repository available for communal use. It is maintained by Sunday (un: sunday) and myself (un: finch). Please contact us if you have any questions on how to make use of it.
²Certainty would, of course, increase with the final note included in our analysis.
³For further reading on the topic, I suggest Barbara Ryden's Introduction to Cosmology published in 2003. It is available at the library.
According to Ms. Won in her post here, there are 10 in total, meaning that one note remains missing. If you are in possession of this note, please contribute it to the data repository. These notes are the biggest credible lead on getting to the truth of things that I've seen in my time here; I cannot emphasize enough how imperative it is that you share the missing document.
There are two sides to these pages, one side being narrative journal entries and the other complex higher-order math. I have been working with Accelerator (un: accelerator) on deciphering what we can of the mathematics, and we have drawn the following conclusion with reasonable certainty:² this is a mathematical representation of the inevitable decline and resulting destruction of the fabric of reality. In other words, it demonstrates proof of Echo's claim that worlds are falling apart from natural causes.
Based on my own knowledge of 20th century Earth scientific discoveries, this is plausible. The universe is infinitely expanding and at an accelerating rate, and though we have a poor understanding of the eventual consequences of that, that is a measurable fact.³ It appears whoever took these notes was working through the implications on their own with far more advanced instrumentation available than what is familiar to either Accelerator or myself.
Reviewing the text of the pages leads me to several further conclusions:
(1) These were most likely written by Echo themselves as they came to the mathematical conclusion I just described.
(2) The author demonstrates sincere remorse and went to incredible lengths to attempt to resolve this problem, but it was beyond their capabilities. If these are written by Echo, then they have become some kind of god-like being in their pursuit of saving worlds, but that still was not enough.
(3) Ultimately, they placed their hopes in the idea that if they could buy time, someone else could find a solution, whether it be a mysterious blacked-out name referenced in the entries or someone from a different world entirely.
(4) It is possible that our task to prove the 'worth' of our worlds is being measured on this scale, that of how likely our societies are to be able to address this problem, making it a pragmatic determination and not one based on any inherent qualities of 'worthiness' otherwise.
(5) The time scale on which this is all taking place is likely literally astronomical.
Furthermore, reports of conversations had with Scylla indicates it is highly likely that Scylla personally knows Echo. He stated in one conversation that the math was intended for our receipt and would have been provided by Aurora, but the journal entries were not, and he deliberately intercepted them and ensured their distribution throughout Etraya. Scylla intimated to Ms. Won that the pages reveal something about what he and Aurora are cursed not to speak of. What that might be, I'm unsure.
Most importantly, Scylla provided verbal confirmation to Ms. Won that he also believed the worlds are unraveling. All of these facts combined, I think we must take that as true going forward.
Please share in the comments any other inferences you feel could be reasonably drawn, and we may discuss further.
¹This was posted about recently, but if you haven't seen it, there is now a data repository available for communal use. It is maintained by Sunday (un: sunday) and myself (un: finch). Please contact us if you have any questions on how to make use of it.
²Certainty would, of course, increase with the final note included in our analysis.
³For further reading on the topic, I suggest Barbara Ryden's Introduction to Cosmology published in 2003. It is available at the library.
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so how is Echo or whoever able to stop it then??
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See conclusion (4) above.
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FUCK????
im glad your working on this because fucking hell dude, all this stuff is way beyond me
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So I'm glad it's helpful to you. If deeply depressing.
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so if you think about it in some ways nothings changed.
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Having confirmation is, at least, somewhat reassuring that our efforts mean something.
But the idea that Echo is not capable of saving worlds on their own is new. I've always thought we should be cooperative rather than competitive, and if we must find our own solution rather than hoping we prove ourselves worthy of some blessing from the overlord, it is even more direly imperative that we work together.
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im obviously not an egghead or anything but my family kicks a lot of ass. you ever need some ass kicked, you let us know. its the least we can do to help.
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My name is Harold Finch. I've been here a bit over a year now, so feel free to ask any questions and I can see if I can answer, now or in the future.
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nice to meet you, im Nero. Thanks for doin this kind of thing for us meatheads 🫡
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I must confess that I've acquired something of a fondness for meatheads over the past few years.
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if it crawled out of hell and is causing problems, we hunt it. if bullets or swords can fix it, we fix it.
DEVIL MAY CRY, if its tryin to kill you we kill it first. satisfaction garanteed!
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A compelling advertisement if I've ever heard one. Dare I ask how much call there is for your services? Are devils... plentiful?
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we do regular jobs and some private i stuff when business is slow but we stay plenty busy
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But I would agree it makes you eminently qualified to do the heavy lifting, as it were, should the need arise.
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oh trust me more than you know pal. were happy to help!!
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That makes far more sense to me than some literal embodiment of evil.
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idk if that makes sense but i hope so
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[ And makes him think positively, even warmly, of Nero for the way he describes it. ]
I try not to assume anything, as I said before, but it's really inconceivable to me that there could be a fully sentient species that I wouldn't classify as "people."
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here, i found this drawing thing so did a graph for you with some people i know
as you can see there is a spectrum
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Much as I disagree with the premise of there being an absolute value for morality, it is indeed an illuminating diagram.
I think you weren't giving yourself enough credit earlier. You've obviously grasped some complicated concepts.
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oh yea i mean its just for example, i aint about to try and actually make a morality graph lol
eh thanks but its not so hard to grasp when youre living it i guess. i had a hard time as a kid and had to unlearn a lot of fuckin shit i got taught but whats important is using your strength for a good cause i figure
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The devil's in the details, if you'll forgive me the use of a turn of phrase that is perhaps gauche in this circumstance. What serves as a good cause can be slippery -- a moving target. I would hazard to guess that when you were younger, you also thought you were serving a good cause.
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more like, they had there own ideas on good and evil
i fuckin hated it there but didnt think i had any other choice