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etraya2026-02-23 02:58 pm
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text | un: finch | subject: notes left by 'scylla'
I have collected all the notes left by the individual Scylla after Mission 012 that I could find available and uploaded them to the shared data repository.¹
According to Ms. Won in her post here, there are 10 in total, meaning that one note remains missing. If you are in possession of this note, please contribute it to the data repository. These notes are the biggest credible lead on getting to the truth of things that I've seen in my time here; I cannot emphasize enough how imperative it is that you share the missing document.
There are two sides to these pages, one side being narrative journal entries and the other complex higher-order math. I have been working with Accelerator (un: accelerator) on deciphering what we can of the mathematics, and we have drawn the following conclusion with reasonable certainty:² this is a mathematical representation of the inevitable decline and resulting destruction of the fabric of reality. In other words, it demonstrates proof of Echo's claim that worlds are falling apart from natural causes.
Based on my own knowledge of 20th century Earth scientific discoveries, this is plausible. The universe is infinitely expanding and at an accelerating rate, and though we have a poor understanding of the eventual consequences of that, that is a measurable fact.³ It appears whoever took these notes was working through the implications on their own with far more advanced instrumentation available than what is familiar to either Accelerator or myself.
Reviewing the text of the pages leads me to several further conclusions:
(1) These were most likely written by Echo themselves as they came to the mathematical conclusion I just described.
(2) The author demonstrates sincere remorse and went to incredible lengths to attempt to resolve this problem, but it was beyond their capabilities. If these are written by Echo, then they have become some kind of god-like being in their pursuit of saving worlds, but that still was not enough.
(3) Ultimately, they placed their hopes in the idea that if they could buy time, someone else could find a solution, whether it be a mysterious blacked-out name referenced in the entries or someone from a different world entirely.
(4) It is possible that our task to prove the 'worth' of our worlds is being measured on this scale, that of how likely our societies are to be able to address this problem, making it a pragmatic determination and not one based on any inherent qualities of 'worthiness' otherwise.
(5) The time scale on which this is all taking place is likely literally astronomical.
Furthermore, reports of conversations had with Scylla indicates it is highly likely that Scylla personally knows Echo. He stated in one conversation that the math was intended for our receipt and would have been provided by Aurora, but the journal entries were not, and he deliberately intercepted them and ensured their distribution throughout Etraya. Scylla intimated to Ms. Won that the pages reveal something about what he and Aurora are cursed not to speak of. What that might be, I'm unsure.
Most importantly, Scylla provided verbal confirmation to Ms. Won that he also believed the worlds are unraveling. All of these facts combined, I think we must take that as true going forward.
Please share in the comments any other inferences you feel could be reasonably drawn, and we may discuss further.
¹This was posted about recently, but if you haven't seen it, there is now a data repository available for communal use. It is maintained by Sunday (un: sunday) and myself (un: finch). Please contact us if you have any questions on how to make use of it.
²Certainty would, of course, increase with the final note included in our analysis.
³For further reading on the topic, I suggest Barbara Ryden's Introduction to Cosmology published in 2003. It is available at the library.
According to Ms. Won in her post here, there are 10 in total, meaning that one note remains missing. If you are in possession of this note, please contribute it to the data repository. These notes are the biggest credible lead on getting to the truth of things that I've seen in my time here; I cannot emphasize enough how imperative it is that you share the missing document.
There are two sides to these pages, one side being narrative journal entries and the other complex higher-order math. I have been working with Accelerator (un: accelerator) on deciphering what we can of the mathematics, and we have drawn the following conclusion with reasonable certainty:² this is a mathematical representation of the inevitable decline and resulting destruction of the fabric of reality. In other words, it demonstrates proof of Echo's claim that worlds are falling apart from natural causes.
Based on my own knowledge of 20th century Earth scientific discoveries, this is plausible. The universe is infinitely expanding and at an accelerating rate, and though we have a poor understanding of the eventual consequences of that, that is a measurable fact.³ It appears whoever took these notes was working through the implications on their own with far more advanced instrumentation available than what is familiar to either Accelerator or myself.
Reviewing the text of the pages leads me to several further conclusions:
(1) These were most likely written by Echo themselves as they came to the mathematical conclusion I just described.
(2) The author demonstrates sincere remorse and went to incredible lengths to attempt to resolve this problem, but it was beyond their capabilities. If these are written by Echo, then they have become some kind of god-like being in their pursuit of saving worlds, but that still was not enough.
(3) Ultimately, they placed their hopes in the idea that if they could buy time, someone else could find a solution, whether it be a mysterious blacked-out name referenced in the entries or someone from a different world entirely.
(4) It is possible that our task to prove the 'worth' of our worlds is being measured on this scale, that of how likely our societies are to be able to address this problem, making it a pragmatic determination and not one based on any inherent qualities of 'worthiness' otherwise.
(5) The time scale on which this is all taking place is likely literally astronomical.
Furthermore, reports of conversations had with Scylla indicates it is highly likely that Scylla personally knows Echo. He stated in one conversation that the math was intended for our receipt and would have been provided by Aurora, but the journal entries were not, and he deliberately intercepted them and ensured their distribution throughout Etraya. Scylla intimated to Ms. Won that the pages reveal something about what he and Aurora are cursed not to speak of. What that might be, I'm unsure.
Most importantly, Scylla provided verbal confirmation to Ms. Won that he also believed the worlds are unraveling. All of these facts combined, I think we must take that as true going forward.
Please share in the comments any other inferences you feel could be reasonably drawn, and we may discuss further.
¹This was posted about recently, but if you haven't seen it, there is now a data repository available for communal use. It is maintained by Sunday (un: sunday) and myself (un: finch). Please contact us if you have any questions on how to make use of it.
²Certainty would, of course, increase with the final note included in our analysis.
³For further reading on the topic, I suggest Barbara Ryden's Introduction to Cosmology published in 2003. It is available at the library.
un; champion (text)
[ He's tired of people telling him what to believe. ]
You think you can trust Scylla? What do you actually know about them?
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But I'm not interested in trying to convince you or anyone else of anything, in any case.
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Put another way, have you ever heard the phrase "trust but verify"?
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Let's say it's real, though. What does sending us to a party with a fairy-orgy for over a month have to do with determining if we can solve the fate of multiple universes?
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I've no idea. I'm certainly not positing that Echo is making, or has made, wise decisions.
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You might try a polite question instead.
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I don't. The evidence we have of Echo's motives is from an indeterminate period of time ago -- which could be centuries, for all we know -- and they have undoubtedly changed since these entries were written. Even if their motives remain altruistic, good intentions mean little if the outcome is catastrophic.
The math is indisputable, however, and with outside corroboration from another source who has no apparent reason to lie about it (Scylla was described in one account as being distinctly not fond of Echo) we cannot afford to go on in any way that doesn't treat it as the truth. The possibility that it's false is remote, and the consequences of treating it as false and being wrong are dire.
It's a risk assessment, not trust.
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Fine. But what is the risk? If what you say is correct, the missions aren't judging horseshit.
Whether true or not, it sounds like we can do fuck-all about it. Just wait for the right math-lete to walk through the revolving door and save us all.
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I wasn't implying that we all must go along with this mission scheme as a result. I will for my own reasons, but one does not necessarily lead to the other.
Math might confirm the problem exists, but I doubt it will carry the solution, or Echo would have determined it already based on what I've read here. We need to accept as true that the worlds are ending precisely because we need to be looking for ways to address it.
The alternate risk is that we're so busy doubting it, we don't even really look.
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That and Harold reminds Vax of the high and mighty tutors who lorded over him as a boy back in Syngorn. It's nothing personal. He doesn't know Harold enough for that. ]
It's the orgies, isn't it.
[ That was a joke about Harold's mission motivations, but he doesn't know if Harold can take a joke yet. He'll find out. ]
At the very least, I don't think you need to doubt most peoples motivations to go home. If you could give any of us a place to look, that would be a start.
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The supposedly subversive sex parties left something to be desired, in my opinion. So that is not it.
I'll let you and everyone else know if I find any other leads -- and I hope others will do the same.
[ Harold himself is not intending to return home, and neither are most of the others on his team... but there's no need to share that. They do all want to try to save what they can, that is absolutely true. ]
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[ Vax is not actually an orgy kind of guy.
And although Vax doesn't commit to being cooperative, Harold's willingness to explain himself does increase the odds Vax might actually do it. ]
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A bit disappointing.