un: agonyuncle | text

[fatedfinality]

[ Today is a... complicated one for Ardyn, to say the least. No one but him knows why though and he'll likely keep it that way.

He has, however, gotten extremely drunk about it and that lends itself to him asking a query on the Etrayan network: ]


What does fate mean to you?

[ He appreciates now more than ever the auto-correct feature. He should probably invest in some reading glasses eventually, but that'll be a problem for Ardyn-with-a-headache-from-squinting-in-the-dark-at-a-small-screen and not the Ardyn of now. ]

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text | un: bahamut

[oblige]

A word used by those with too much power to legitimate their actions.

[ Ultima deemed his machinations an inevitability, and Dion cannot accept that. Will not. ]

text | un: dailyplanet

[thisisontherecord]

Choice.

( which on a surface level, would sound counterintuitive to the word 'fate' or many of its concepts. )

What does it mean to you?

un: superman2

[newsbeat]

That's kind of a heavy question.

[fatedfinality]

[ The username admittedly makes his hackles raise near immediately. Thankfully, that doesn't need to translate over text. ]

Ah, I see you might understand.

Which deity decided your likely unfortunate fate?

[fatedfinality]

The antithesis of choice, actually.

Fate is supposedly preordained. How do your decisions factor into that, exactly?

[fatedfinality]

Maybe for those whom 'fate' is a heavy topic.

It is for me. Judging from that answer, I'm willing to guess it is for you too.

[oblige]

[ As he surmises, a deity is what came to mind. ]

I know not whether the name would hold meaning for you, but he is called Ultima.

He would see mankind destroyed.

[newsbeat]

I suppose it is.

I don't think fate exists in the sense that certain actions or events are inevitable. We all make our own choices. But I used to think it was possible that fate was something people could create, in a sense.

[thisisontherecord]

We're getting right into philosophy with that, huh. Might be worth investigating determinism as a contrast to fatalism or predeterminism.

Clarifying question first: do you consider something like death fated because for most carbon based lifeforms, it comes inevitably due to genetic material decay over time if nothing else?

[fatedfinality]

Fatalism is what I've been told is the truth, but many of my world would believe in predetermination. Either way, the gods seem to have the final say and all us mortals are beneath them.

I do think death is inevitable except for certain exceptions.

[ Him. He's one of the exceptions. And it sucks. ]

[fatedfinality]

[ Ultima, hm? That's the name of the spell that Bahamut planned to cast to eradicate humanity if came down to it, he thinks, but not an actual force he's familiar with. ]

Interestingly, your Ultima seems to be my world's Bahamut.

The deity of the blades, god of war, and arbiter on the fate of mankind on Eos. He doesn't want mankind destroyed, exactly, though he doesn't seem to be all too bothered if that does end up being the outcome.

[fatedfinality]

Is that so?

From what I've been told, 'fate' is preordained. Our decisions mean nothing in the grand scheme; all will happen as its supposed to. I'm not sure I buy into it myself, honestly, but that's what the deity of judgement himself told me so... Who knows!

[thisisontherecord]

Belief systems versus philosophical schools of thought won't always agree. Different kinds of faith operating for either one.

Functional immortality is an issue, granted.

Fate to me is the active collection of choices we make in the moments we experience in our lives. Could there be overwhelming probabilities? Sure. There's just as much proof that there is as there isn't. So I make the choice to believe in choice and searching for truths in the process.

Counting this whole situation at present as a pretty heavy lift toward creating alternate 'fates' to whatever extent. Lest we make ourselves believe it means much that we're here or not, with a metric we don't know from an entity that doesn't deal with us directly.

( text | un: rumi )

[huntrix]

I think it's like a story.

[newsbeat]

I think buying into that is just abdicating responsibility.

[For what? Anything, everything.]

You met a deity of judgment? How?

un: aliarra

[lockdownbuild]

It's a stupid word. Either it's someone using it to feel superior, or it's someone using it to describe you making a choice as not making one.

[oblige]

What a terrible Bahamut, if such is the case.

[ As a Bahamut, he feels himself primed (heh!) to pass judgement upon this Ultihamut from afar.

An uncaring god is scarce better than a spiteful one. ]

Have you any means of contending with your deity?

text; un: butterfly

[heavensnight]

Not much.

something we all just believe in to feel better when things go wrong. like there wasn't anything we could do to stop it.

text; un: vsmith

[banworthy]

Hope, I suppose.

Un: TerribleTinkerer | Text

[badnewsandshitlist]

Fate is usually a coward’s alibi. But sometimes it does choose with surgical cruelty. In those cases, the only freedom left is how one meets it, whether to buckle or to walk forward anyway.

I’ve seen someone do the latter. It’s humbling, and I damn well respect them for it. Which is irritating, frankly, because it leaves the rest of us with fewer excuses.

Text; un: hawks

[velocityraptor]

Fate is rarely a good thing and it's a culmination of everything that's come before, I think. What do you think?

[fatedfinality]

I think you're quite right.
At least, that's my experience with fate. It never was anything to do with me, really, just a series of choices that led to the inevitable.

Or so the gods said.

[fatedfinality]

And what if walking forward wasn't a good thing? Say, someone was told their fate was to be their world's worst monster.

Would you still consider it a respectful choice?

[fatedfinality]

Hope? So you believe in the idea of fate, that everything is decided already?

[fatedfinality]

It is an easy excuse, isn't it? It was meant to be, fate decided long ago- I've heard that a time or two.

[ He's also said it himself but, y'know, details. ]

Does it make you feel better to believe in it?